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Post by Rawhide GM (Jimmy-LM) on Jan 13, 2015 8:33:10 GMT -5
Reading your questions differently... 1) There is a thread located under Free Agency > Tag Tracker titled Tagged Players. This is where you designate what players your tagging and which type of tag. There is also a thread in the same location where we keep up with traded tags. 2) All communications regarding player bids or whether you accept or decline a tag are PM'd to the MLBPA profile. Brad is right on both responses. The only difference is that you will post publicly (on the same thread the winners are announced) whether you are matching the bid (and the contract you are signing them too) or if you are accepting the compensation, instead of sending the PM to the mlbpa account. I am also moving this weekend, so my plan is to have everything posted by Saturday eve at the latest, and ensure that everyone has 48 hours to make a decision. |
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Post by Empire 66ers GM (Hani) on Jan 13, 2015 13:25:51 GMT -5
from the rules "...there is NO option to remove or reneg on any bid placed." If I put 5 bids in and win the the 5 bids, then I must sign all 5? There is no option for us to put in selective bids? correct?
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Post by BlueSox GM(Matt P) on Jan 13, 2015 14:18:38 GMT -5
You can, as has been done with the free agent and milb free agent process, provide a preferred list of bids. Say you put in five bids for five players: A, B, C, D, E. You can inform mlbpa that if you win bid A, then you don't want bids B through E. Or if you fail on bids A and B, that you want bids C, D & E. You just need to specify what bids are dependent on other bids acceptance. What hurts you by putting in five is that if your bid is the highest bid for player A, but the owner chooses to match, you don't get a shot at bids B, C, D & E, as your own instructions state if you are the highest bidder on Player A, do not submit the other bids. The preference instructions are only allowed for determining the highest bidder. They cannot be used as a failover in case the manager of your first winning bid matches, such as having the winning bid on player A, having that manager match, and then reinstating one of the bids that you declined to enforce before.
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Post by Empire 66ers GM (Hani) on Jan 13, 2015 22:14:06 GMT -5
You can, as has been done with the free agent and milb free agent process, provide a preferred list of bids. Say you put in five bids for five players: A, B, C, D, E. You can inform mlbpa that if you win bid A, then you don't want bids B through E. Or if you fail on bids A and B, that you want bids C, D & E. You just need to specify what bids are dependent on other bids acceptance. What hurts you by putting in five is that if your bid is the highest bid for player A, but the owner chooses to match, you don't get a shot at bids B, C, D & E, as your own instructions state if you are the highest bidder on Player A, do not submit the other bids. The preference instructions are only allowed for determining the highest bidder. They cannot be used as a failover in case the manager of your first winning bid matches, such as having the winning bid on player A, having that manager match, and then reinstating one of the bids that you declined to enforce before. thanks |
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Post by Rawhide GM (Jimmy-LM) on Jan 14, 2015 5:23:38 GMT -5
Matt is Right. The biggest thing is realize that if you win 5 bids, there still a good chance that you will not "win" all 5 of those players like UFA, because each manager will have the ability to match the AAS if they like
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Post by Generals GM (Pete) on Jan 15, 2015 9:59:04 GMT -5
I have an RFA Compensation Rule question.
per the rules the compensation is as follows:
RFA Compensation
If a GM loses a player in the RFA process he is entitled compensation as follows
RFA signs with new team for AAS of:
If AAS is $5,000,000 or less
(Franchise losing player receives nothing)
If AAS between $5,000,001 - $8,000,000
(Franchise losing player receives Winning Team's 3rd rnd pick in the FYPD + 3rd rnd Supplemental pick)
If AAS between $8,000,001 - 11,000,000
(Franchise losing player receives Winning Team's 2nd rnd pick in the FYPD + 2nd rnd Supplemental pick)
If AAS is 11,000,001 -14,000,000
(Franchise losing player receives Winning Team's 1st rnd pick in the FYPD + 1st rnd Supplemental pick)
If AAS is 14,000,001 or greater
(Franchise losing player receives Winning Team's 1st rnd pick in the FYPD + 2 1st rnd Supplemental picks)
Makes sense, BUT my question is, what if a team bids and wins multiple players over the $14.0 mark. That team only has one first round pick to give up, who gets it? I would suggest maybe the one with the highest bid, and then scaled down from there, next team gets a second rounder and so on. Also how are the supplemental round picks determined, will it only be for compensation purposes? If I dont bid and dont loose any RFAs, do I still get a supplemental rounder?
I think at least the first point needs to be clarified before the RFA matching period, because if a team ends up only getting a third rounder, instead of a first rounder it may change someones decision about matching.
Thanks
Pete
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 10:36:15 GMT -5
The supplemental round picks will just be for compensation purposes, so if you don't lose any RFAs, you don't get any supplemental picks. Those picks will come at the end of the round after all the regular picks (order by same method as regular picks).
LM will have to answer the other question regarding multiple 1st rd pick (or later) loss. There are multiple ways it could be done. You could lose a lower pick. You could lose no pick at all (like MLB) and the league just creates an extra compensation pick so the receiving manager still gets his two or three picks. Or a combo, you could lose a lower pick and the league could take that one and replace it for the receiving manager with a comp pick in the intended round. I understand wanting to know now because there might be some other formulations that would influence how you bid (it will also affected matching decisions, but thats a few days from now), but this question has been asked before and the answer was that TRP will figure it out when/if it happens. I do think I remember that if you win two bids of the same comp amount, the manager losing a player on the higher bid would get the better pick, not sure whoever wins in the event of a tie (maybe whoever declined to match earliest since that would tend to speed the matching decision process). In any case, since there was indication that this would be a TRP question, it might take some discussion there before there is an answer. But the answer in the previous paragraph about supplementals, I can answer now and did.
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Post by Rawhide GM (Jimmy-LM) on Jan 15, 2015 11:16:15 GMT -5
Right now, I am just planning on creating the additional Supplement Pick. But that Pick will be inserted at the top of the supplemental round, and not become dependent upon next yer's standings. so if it does happen, that will become pick 31 overall next year, and then the rest of the supplement picks will follow suit
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Post by Rawhide GM (Jimmy-LM) on Jan 15, 2015 11:18:51 GMT -5
I do think I remember that if you win two bids of the same comp amount, the manager losing a player on the higher bid would get the better pick, not sure whoever wins in the event of a tie (maybe whoever declined to match earliest since that would tend to speed the matching decision process). This is also correct Tim on both accounts. |
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Post by Generals GM (Pete) on Jan 15, 2015 13:04:18 GMT -5
So just to clarify. The Generals go nuts and bid and win three players in RFA. Salaries are AAS of $25.0, $20.0 and $15.0. The guy who did not match the $15.0 gets my third round pick plus some supplementals? Just checking.
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Post by Rawhide GM (Jimmy-LM) on Jan 16, 2015 10:10:38 GMT -5
So just to clarify. The Generals go nuts and bid and win three players in RFA. Salaries are AAS of $25.0, $20.0 and $15.0. The guy who did not match the $15.0 gets my third round pick plus some supplementals? Just checking. I am reading this question 2 ways Pete, so I will answer it for both and hopefully answers whichever way you asked it... 1) Assuming all 3 bids are not matched, the owner with the 15 would receive 3 1st round supplement picks (as would the 20, the 25 would receive your 1st + 2 1st supps). You would still hold your 3rd. 2) Assuming 25 and 20 are matched, then 15 would receive your 1st and 1st supps. |
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Post by Generals GM (Pete) on Jan 16, 2015 10:46:17 GMT -5
So just to clarify. The Generals go nuts and bid and win three players in RFA. Salaries are AAS of $25.0, $20.0 and $15.0. The guy who did not match the $15.0 gets my third round pick plus some supplementals? Just checking. I am reading this question 2 ways Pete, so I will answer it for both and hopefully answers whichever way you asked it... 1) Assuming all 3 bids are not matched, the owner with the 15 would receive 3 1st round supplement picks (as would the 20, the 25 would receive your 1st + 2 1st supps). You would still hold your 3rd. 2) Assuming 25 and 20 are matched, then 15 would receive your 1st and 1st supps. Okay, scenario #1 was what I was talking about. Not to be a pain, but it would work like this: Generals bid on three RFA's from three different teams at the following AAS rates - $25.0 (Team A), $20.0 (Team B) and $15.0 (Team C). None of these are matched, so the Generals win them all. The draft compensation for the future year would look like this: Team A ($25) - Gets Generals 1st round pick + 2 1st round supplemental picks Team B ($20) - Gets 3 1st round supplemental picks Team C ($15) - Gets 3 1st round supplemental picks If that is the case, then to play devil's advocate, I as the Generals have only had to give up one 1st round pick. I think something needs to be adjusted or added as a penalty, maybe the Generals, in this case, forfeiting additional picks. Because in the scenario I laid out, I only loose a 1st round pick, but have signed 3 players over the $15.0 mark. Other than the salary cap, I am actually better off then if I had won three players at $25.0, $9.0 (2nd round comp) and $6.0 (3rd round comp). Because then I would have actually lost three picks (rounds 1-3). Again, I am not trying to be a pain, just trying to anticipate any potential issues. I guess the same issue would happen if I won 3 players from different teams all at $6.0. I only have one third round pick to give up, if all didnt match, then two of the teams would get the extra supplemental picks, but they dont come out of my pocket. It actually hurts the other owners in the league more than it hurts the owner that did the aggressive bidding. Guess we will just have to see what happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 10:52:57 GMT -5
Technically of course, you're right, but there won't be that many of these situations for it to make a big difference. I wouldn't mind if the guy had to lose the next lower rd pick (which was then dissolved and replaced by the higher rd com pick pick), so here would also lose a 2d for the 2d guy and a 3d for the 3d guy. But in the end those aren't huge losses either. MLB does it this way too, so its not without precedent. the other way to look at it is that part of what you get when you lose a 1st rd pick in bidding a free pass for future bids, so really this is just part of what you get when you lose a 1st rd pick. Everyone has the same ability to win a bid and give up a 1st and then win another bid without a give-up, so its fair that way. There is some advantage if you give up a 1st this week and since there are two rounds of bidding, now know next week you can't give up another. Taking a 2d instead would help some on that, but not sure its a huge deal (this is certainly far better than preventing future bids). But again, everyone has the ability to make that winning bid that doesn't get matched and thus pick up the ability to win another bid with no pick loss. So while I agree in theory, in practice I'm not sure it matters all that much.
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Post by Rawhide GM (Jimmy-LM) on Jan 16, 2015 11:43:28 GMT -5
The other part to this Pete is say I take the 2nd away from you as the penalty. But to extend the situation into next week, an owner doesn't match a bid of $10m AAS on a Pitcher you bid on. He should get your 2nd round pick, but he wont and instead has to settle for a supplemental 2nd instead. Not only do I penalize you, but now I penalize another owner in the process. This way is just much simpler given the processes to keep track of, and doesn't penalize owners of the tags specifically, which is more important then penalizing you for winning multiple bids above a certain AAS.
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Post by Generals GM (Pete) on Jan 16, 2015 14:00:03 GMT -5
I am fine either way, just wanted to make sure the rules were clear or thought out. And dont worry, I wasnt planning on going crazy during RFA, just using me as an example.
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Post by Javelinas GM (Scott) on Jan 16, 2015 14:10:18 GMT -5
This is the "General Board", not the "Generals Board". But I could see how it could be confused.  |
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Post by Generals GM (Pete) on Jan 16, 2015 14:55:04 GMT -5
This is the "General Board", not the "Generals Board". But I could see how it could be confused. Thanks for the clarification, I will be sure to up my bids on V Mart and Latos, haha. Just want to make sure the rules are clear. |
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Post by Javelinas GM (Scott) on Jan 16, 2015 14:58:06 GMT -5
This is the "General Board", not the "Generals Board". But I could see how it could be confused. Thanks for the clarification, I will be sure to up my bids on V Mart and Latos, haha. Just want to make sure the rules are clear. Many of us appreciate the clarifications, so carry on under the Generals Board. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 20:56:39 GMT -5
Just noticing the rule change for dropping players. I have Cahill and Balfour at inflated salaries, if I end up needing to drop them I still owe 75%? I wasn't here to drop before the Jan 3 deadline, and I'm not sure if my predecessor was still around at that point. Just curious as this may affect my strategy for pitcher UFA..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 21:00:20 GMT -5
Your predecessor was around and it sounds like you have the rule right. If you think as a new-ish manager you should get some exception, I'd guess your best bet is to PM Jimmy and explain why (No opinion on that here fwiw).
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